Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

02/01/2024 10:15 AM House ENERGY

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10:15:52 AM Start
10:17:29 AM Presentation: Alaska Energy Authority
11:35:48 AM EXECUTIVEORDER(S):128
12:10:47 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation: Alaska Energy Authority by TELECONFERENCED
Curtis W. Thayer, Executive Director
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+ EO 128: SEPARATE BD AK ENERGY AUTHORITY & AIDEA TELECONFERENCED
Uniform Rule 23(a) Waived
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                        February 1, 2024                                                                                        
                           10:15 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative George Rauscher, Chair                                                                                           
Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                        
Representative Thomas Baker                                                                                                     
Representative Stanley Wright                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative Calvin Schrage                                                                                                   
Representative Jennie Armstrong                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EXECUTIVE ORDER:  128                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     -HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a PowerPoint presentation, titled                                                               
"AEA Overview and Programs Update."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS W. THAYER, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed Executive Order 128.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON BREFCZYNSKI, Deputy Director                                                                                            
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Discussed  the Alaska Industrial Development                                                             
and Export Authority's position on EO 128.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
EMILY NAUMAN, Director                                                                                                          
Office of the Director                                                                                                          
Legislative Legal Services                                                                                                      
Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Summarized the Legislative  Legal Services'                                                             
EO 128 Memorandum.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PARKER PATTERSON, Senior Assistant Attorney General                                                                             
Civil Division                                                                                                                  
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Discussed the Department  of Law's position                                                             
on EO 128.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:15:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAUSCHER  called the  House  Special  Committee on  Energy                                                             
meeting to order  at 10:15 a.m.   Representatives Baker, Schrage,                                                               
Wright, Prax, Armstrong,  McKay and Rauscher were  present at the                                                               
call to order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                                          
             PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:17:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be the Alaska Energy Authority presentation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:18:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS  THAYER,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Energy  Authority,                                                               
provided  a PowerPoint  presentation,  titled  "AEA Overview  and                                                               
Programs Update"  [hard copy included  in committee packet].   He                                                               
began on  slide 2 and  described the six  areas that make  up the                                                               
Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA), including Railbelt  Energy, Power                                                               
Cost Equalization  (PCE) program, rural energy,  renewable energy                                                               
and  energy efficiency,  grants and  loans, and  energy planning.                                                               
He  provided  a  map,  which showed  AEA's  active  projects  and                                                               
services throughout the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:22:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER moved to slide 4  and explained that the Alaska Energy                                                               
Security Task  Force has  had over  60 subcommittee  meetings, 11                                                               
task force  meetings, and  over 150 hours  of public  meetings; 8                                                               
energy symposiums  have been created  with 16 hours of  on demand                                                               
learning.   Six  subcommittees have  created over  60 preliminary                                                               
actions including  Railbelt, coastal,  rural, state  energy data,                                                               
incentives  and  subsidies, and  statutes  and  regulations.   He                                                               
noted  that the  task  force  report is  the  first major  energy                                                               
security plan created in over 10 years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:24:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER mentioned  that Representative  Rauscher and  Senator                                                               
Bishop participated on the task  force.  He discussed the Bradley                                                               
Lake  Hydroelectric Project,  which provides  low-cost energy  to                                                               
550,000  Alaskans.   The  annual energy  production  makes up  10                                                               
percent of  Railbelt energy at  4 cents  per kilowatt hour.   The                                                               
AEA, in partnership with the  Railbelt utilities, is studying the                                                               
Dixon Diversion  Project, which would increase  the annual energy                                                               
production of Bradley Lake by 50  percent or the equivalent of up                                                               
to  28,000 homes.    The Dixon  Diversion  Project would  involve                                                               
directional  drilling of  a  13-mile tunnel  to  move water  from                                                               
Dixon Glacier into  Bradley Lake.  This would  offset 1.5 billion                                                               
cubic feet  of natural  gas per year.   Construction  would occur                                                               
from 2026-2030.  He noted  problems with transmission line update                                                               
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:27:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER,  in  response  to  committee  questions,  said  that                                                               
preliminary water studies and permitting  are underway.  Drilling                                                               
to test  rock formations for the  tunnel is needed.   The outcome                                                               
of these  efforts will  determine whether  the project  will move                                                               
forward.  He  clarified that the permitting  process has occurred                                                               
on  the  Bradley  footprint.    He  mentioned  the  Battle  Creek                                                               
project,  which  was  completed  on time,  on  budget,  and  with                                                               
similar permitting.  He said  AEA doesn't anticipate any problems                                                               
with  permitting  and  is  confident that  the  project  will  be                                                               
completed  by 2030.    He noted  that  transmission upgrades  are                                                               
needed and work  is underway.  Increasing water  flow through the                                                               
Dixon diversion, raising the dam,  and upgrading the transmission                                                               
lines would occur simultaneously.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:32:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER moved  to slide 7 and reported that  AEA owns the 170-                                                               
mile Alaska  Intertie transmission line that  runs between Willow                                                               
and Healy.  It is operated  at 138 kilovolt (kV), was designed to                                                               
operate  at  345 kV,  is  a  vital  link for  transferring  power                                                               
between northern  and southern utilities and  saves Golden Valley                                                               
Electric  Association   customers  an  average  of   $37  million                                                               
annually.    The  Intertie   provides  benefits  to  Southcentral                                                               
customers  through  cost  savings and  resilience  to  unexpected                                                               
events, like extreme cold.   He noted the importance of redundant                                                               
lines in the event of an emergency.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:34:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER,  in response  to Chair  Rauscher, explained  that the                                                               
Kenai Peninsula has  some of the oldest transmission  lines.  The                                                               
Intertie was built  in the 1980s to a higher  standard and can be                                                               
upgraded  more   easily.    Kenai  Peninsula   transmission  line                                                               
upgrades  would benefit  Fairbanks consumers  because more  power                                                               
would be able to be moved.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:36:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  moved  to  slide  8 and  described  the  Power  Cost                                                               
Equalization  (PCE) program,  which impacts  192 communities,  91                                                               
electric  utilities, and  almost  82,000 Alaskans.   The  program                                                               
provides a  weighted cost  average between  Anchorage, Fairbanks,                                                               
and Juneau, which is about 20  cents per kWh.  Anything above the                                                               
weighted  average,   PCE  pays   the  difference.     Residential                                                               
customers are  eligible for PCE credit  up to 750 kWh  per month.                                                               
In 2024,  AEA dispersed $48  million to rural  electric utilities                                                               
for the  benefit of our  rural communities which is  supported by                                                               
an endowment, not the general fund.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:39:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER, in  response to Chair Rauscher,  explained that since                                                               
PCE, by  statute, is formulated  on the average weighted  cost of                                                               
Anchorage,  Fairbanks and  Juneau power,  if the  cost decreased,                                                               
more money would be freed up  by the PCE program to benefit rural                                                               
Alaska.  If the cost of Railbelt  energy goes up, then there is a                                                               
negative  impact  on  the  PCE.    He  described  that  financial                                                               
analysis  and  modelling is  done  to  find cost-benefits,  which                                                               
contribute  to  public  good.    Analysis  is  audited  and  made                                                               
available to  the public.   He clarified  that programs  like PCE                                                               
result  in  a lower  cost  of  energy  for Alaskans  and  doesn't                                                               
necessarily  have a  hard dollar  return like  a publicly  traded                                                               
company.   He said that  AEA has  created a digital  data library                                                               
with 8,500 public-facing documents.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:47:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER,  in response  to committee  questions, said  that the                                                               
PCE is  funded by an endowment  that is managed by  the permanent                                                               
fund.    Interest  earned  by  the endowment  pays  for  the  PCE                                                               
program, followed by  up to $30 million  in community assistance.                                                               
He noted  that there have  been record earnings in  recent years,                                                               
which  creates  a cascading  effect  that,  up  to the  next  $25                                                               
million,  can  be used  in  the  bulk  fuel loan  program,  power                                                               
houses, or  renewable energy  fund.  He  explained that  prior to                                                               
legislation from  about a  decade ago,  PCE competed  for general                                                               
fund dollars, which wasn't always enough  to pay for PCE.  As the                                                               
endowment  has grown,  the ability  to  fully fund  PCE has  been                                                               
possible  and   often,  but  not  always,   fund  some  community                                                               
assistance.   It has taken  time for  the endowment to  reach the                                                               
point where  returns go  far enough  to fully  fund both  PCE and                                                               
community assistance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:52:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER moved  to slide  9  and described  that rural  Alaska                                                               
powerhouses are upgraded and maintained  by AEA through leveraged                                                               
federal dollars.  He noted  42 active rural power systems upgrade                                                               
projects  and 34  active bulk  fuel upgrade  projects.   Deferred                                                               
maintenance  for  rural  power  systems upgrades  and  bulk  fuel                                                               
upgrades  amounts  to $1.1  billion.    He noted  that  available                                                               
infrastructure dollars  available from the federal  government do                                                               
not qualify  for rural Alaska because  powerhouses utilize fossil                                                               
fuels.  This is an ongoing challenge for AEA and that state.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:56:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER,  in response to  Representative Prax,  explained that                                                               
rural powerhouses are  owned by the community.  He  said that AEA                                                               
steps in when there is  an emergency and has strategically placed                                                               
backup generators around the state.   He referred to slide 10 and                                                               
said  that AEA  has  about  $200,000 in  emergency  funding.   He                                                               
mentioned   that  supply   logistics  is   one  of   the  biggest                                                               
challenges.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:58:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER moved  to slide 11 and said that  the Renewable Energy                                                               
Fund Advisory  Committee has  forwarded a  capitalization request                                                               
of $32  million for  the legislature's  consideration to  fund 24                                                               
projects.  Since  the beginning of the program,  $317 million has                                                               
been  invested  into the  Renewable  Energy  Fund by  the  state.                                                               
There   are  100   operational  projects   and  60   projects  in                                                               
development.   He reported that  about 80 percent of  the funding                                                               
ends up in rural Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:00:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER, in  response to  committee questions,  explained the                                                               
challenges  and   reluctance  to   open  PCE  eligibility.     He                                                               
exemplified King  Cove, which  does not qualify  for PCE  and was                                                               
funded $3.8  million in grants.   He said  the goal should  be to                                                               
incentivize renewables  without penalty  from PCE.   He  said PCE                                                               
was designed for rural communities to break-even.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:04:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  described the Power  Project Fund (PPF)  loan program                                                               
on slide 12 and said that  recapitalizing will be necessary.  The                                                               
loan offers competitive rates at  about 5.4 percent interest, and                                                               
currently the program is in  abeyance until additional capital is                                                               
secured for the pending applications  under review what amount to                                                               
over  $700,000.     He  described   an  outstanding  loan   on  a                                                               
hydroelectric project.   In response  to Chair Rauscher,  he said                                                               
that  the legislature  could capitalize  the PPF  loan fund.   He                                                               
noted the  success of the PPF  program, which has no  default and                                                               
projects across Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:08:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER  advanced   to  slide  13  and   described  the  Grid                                                               
Resilience and Innovation Partnerships  (GRIP).  He reported that                                                               
AEA secured $206.5 million in  federal funding for a high voltage                                                               
direct current submarine cable to go  from Kenai to Beluga.  This                                                               
requires a  match of $206.5  million.  This project  would create                                                               
redundancy  and reliability  for Alaskans  on the  Railbelt.   In                                                               
response  to Chair  Rauscher,  he reported  that  AEA would  have                                                               
eight years to complete the  project.  Funding must be identified                                                               
but is  not necessary to be  provided all at once.   Unrestricted                                                               
General Funds  or potentially a  geo bond may  be used.   He also                                                               
mentioned potential reimbursement  opportunities from the federal                                                               
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:13:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER, in response to  Representative Schrage, said that AEA                                                               
has  worked  with  utility  partners  to  discuss  structure  for                                                               
potential tax-credits to  apply to projects to lower  the cost to                                                               
the consumer.   Sourcing  equipment, workforce,  and supply-chain                                                               
issues  create  challenges.   He  said  that federal  funding  is                                                               
highly competitive and that upfront  funding from the state sends                                                               
a message to  the federal government about  support for potential                                                               
match.   He noted  the governor's  support for  the project.   He                                                               
explained that if funding was  piecemeal overtime and the project                                                               
was  incomplete  in the  time  allotted,  the federal  government                                                               
would require a refund.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:22:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX commented  that money  is finite  and public                                                               
scrutiny is inevitable with a lack of transparency.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:23:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER described Railbelt transmission  upgrades on slide 14.                                                               
He  said  that  the  $166  million bond  financing  comes  at  no                                                               
additional cost to  rate payers.  He reported that  over the next                                                               
five years,  Alaska will receive  $60 million in  federal formula                                                               
grants through the Grid Resilience  Formula Grant Program through                                                               
the Infrastructure  Investment and  Jobs Act.   He said  that $22                                                               
million  has  already  been  awarded  to  AEA  to  support  local                                                               
utilities.    He  provided  an  update to  the  State  of  Alaska                                                               
Electric  Vehicle  (EV)  Infrastructure  Implementation  Plan  on                                                               
slide   16.     He  remarked   that  Alaska   had  the   best  EV                                                               
infrastructure plan in  the country and has  unlocked millions of                                                               
dollars towards EV efforts.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:26:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER explained,  on slide  17, that  AEA is  collaborating                                                               
with the Alaska Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC) to distribute                                                               
Alaska's allocation of  $74 million with no  state match required                                                               
for home efficiency rebates,  home electrification, and appliance                                                               
rebates.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:26:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  described Black Rapids  Training Site  (BRTS) Defense                                                               
Community  Infrastructure Pilot  Program on  slide 18.   He  said                                                               
that  AEA partnered  with Golden  Valley Electric  Cooperative to                                                               
acquire funds  to extend a  transmission line 34 miles  along the                                                               
Richardson Highway to  the (BRTS).  On slide 19,  he listed other                                                               
federal  funding   opportunities,  including   Energy  Efficiency                                                               
Revolving  Loan  Fund,  State Energy  Program,  Electric  Vehicle                                                               
Charging  Equipment  Competitive,  and  State-Based  Home  Energy                                                               
Efficiency Contractor  Training Grant Program.   He concluded his                                                               
presentation on  slide 20 and  explained that the  application is                                                               
pending  for $100  million  for the  Solar  For All  Competition.                                                               
Funding may become available within six to nine months.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:31:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER, in  response  to  Chair Rauscher,  said  a plan  was                                                               
developed for  EV infrastructure  before money  became available.                                                               
The  alternative fuel  corridor from  Anchorage to  Fairbanks was                                                               
created  and  chargers  were  deployed at  site  hosts  at  local                                                               
facilities.   He offered to  provide the committee with  the 100-                                                               
page plan for addressing EV implementation throughout Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:32:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER thanked Mr. Thayer for his presentation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:33:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 11:33 a.m. to 11:35 a.m.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^#EXECUTIVE ORDER(S):  128                                                                                                      
                     EXECUTIVE ORDER:  128                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:35:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be Executive Order 128.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:37:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS W.  THAYER, Executive  Director, Alaska  Energy Authority,                                                               
discussed  Executive  Order (EO)  128.    He explained  that  the                                                               
governor believes  it is  in the best  interest for  an efficient                                                               
administration to separate memberships  of the board of directors                                                               
for the  Alaska Energy  Authority and the  board of  directors of                                                               
the Alaska  Industrial Development and Export  Authority (AIDEA).                                                               
He  noted  that  both  authorities have  different  missions  and                                                               
reported that  the capital budget  for AEA has increased  by 1000                                                               
percent in  the last four years  and is expecting to  continue to                                                               
grow.  Currently,  just one volunteer board  oversees two, multi-                                                               
billion-dollar  organizations.   A distinct  set of  expertise is                                                               
necessary for the governance of  each organization.  He mentioned                                                               
working  with   the  legislature   to  manage  staffing   for  68                                                               
positions.   He described the  governor's proposed makeup  of the                                                               
boards  regarding specific  expertise.   Billions of  dollars and                                                               
many projects  of the AEA board  would benefit from a  board that                                                               
can provide strategic vision.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:43:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked if a bill is necessary.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER  responded that  the vehicle by  which the  boards are                                                               
separated  is a  decision  for the  governor  and legislators  to                                                               
make.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER  mentioned a representative from  AIDEA will speak                                                               
to EO 128 from their point of view.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:44:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCHRAGE asked  whether  someone from  Legislative                                                               
Legal Services was available to answer questions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:45:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR    RAUSCHER    affirmed   Legislative    Legal    Services'                                                               
availability, thanked Mr. Thayer, and welcomed the next speaker.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:45:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON   BREFCZYNSKI,   Deputy   Director,   Alaska   Industrial                                                               
Development and  Export Authority, discussed AIDEA's  position on                                                               
EO 128.   He  said the  executive order  does not  impact AIDEA's                                                               
mission or statutes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:46:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  sought  to  clarify  if  AIDEA  is  in  the                                                               
"banking business," while AEA is in the "electricity business."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREFCZYNSKI affirmed that AIDEA  can lend money for a broader                                                               
range of efforts beyond AEA.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:47:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SCHRAGE   asked   if  there   will   be   fiscal                                                               
ramifications or employee issues because of EO 128.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREFCZYNSKI answered  there  would be  no  fiscal impact  to                                                               
AIDEA  or AEA.    Shared  services between  AIDEA  and AEA  would                                                               
remain intact.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.   THAYER  agreed   and  said   there  is   a  memorandum   of                                                               
understanding that shows how the  two organizations operate which                                                               
will not  be affected  by the executive  order.   Shared services                                                               
are  billed according  to appropriate  agencies.   He noted  that                                                               
board members are not compensated.   The cost would be $28,000 to                                                               
cover per diem.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCHRAGE  asked about the current  structure of the                                                               
shared AIDEA/AEA board and whether members are appointed.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER explained that the  board members are appointed by the                                                               
governor for two-year terms.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:51:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCHRAGE referenced  the legal  services memo  and                                                               
voiced his  concern for the  constitutionality of  this executive                                                               
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:52:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  NAUMAN,  Director,  Office of  the  Director,  Legislative                                                               
Legal  Services,  Legislative   Affairs  Agency,  summarized  the                                                               
Legislative Legal Services' EO 128  Memorandum.  She said that EO                                                               
128 likely  exceeds the governor's executive  authority under the                                                               
Alaska  Constitution.   She cited  Article 3,  Section 23,  which                                                               
read as follows:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The governor  may make changes  in the  organization of                                                                    
     the  executive   branch  or   in  the   assignments  of                                                                    
     functions among its units  which he considers necessary                                                                    
     for  efficient  administration.     Where  the  changes                                                                    
     require the  force of law,  they shall be set  forth in                                                                    
     executive orders.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  explained that governors  have used  executive orders                                                               
to transfer  functions from one  department to  another; however,                                                               
there  is little  meaningful authority  that sheds  light on  the                                                               
permissible scope  of an executive  order.  She pointed  out that                                                               
just  because an  executive  order has  been  implemented in  the                                                               
past, does not mean that it is legally permissible.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  said the power of  an executive order is  not without                                                               
bounds  and   one  branch  of   government  is   prohibited  from                                                               
encroaching on the  existing powers of another branch.   She said                                                               
in the  case of  EO 128,  the EO changes  the composition  of the                                                               
board entirely  and no where  else in  law does the  board exist.                                                               
This  EO  creates new  law  outside  of  the  scope of  a  simple                                                               
reorganization  or function  change.   She said  that this  is an                                                               
unconstitutional  encroachment  on  the  legislature's  lawmaking                                                               
authority  that exceeds  the governor's  limited  power to  amend                                                               
statute as necessary to reorganize the executive branch.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN  advised  that  the most  appropriate  action  is  to                                                               
disapprove  the executive  order.   The constitutional  method of                                                               
creating  a new  board would  be through  the passing  of a  bill                                                               
through the legislative process.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:55:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCHRAGE asked to hear from the Department of Law.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN, in  response to Representative Rauscher,  said EO 128                                                               
automatically takes  effect if the  legislature does not  meet in                                                               
joint session  to disapprove it  via a resolution within  60 days                                                               
of the beginning of session, March 15, 2024.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAUSCHER asked  about the  monetary  value of  challenging                                                               
inaction in court.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN said  the amount  would  depend on  the action  being                                                               
challenged and noted  the potential for hundreds  of thousands of                                                               
dollars in attorneys' fees.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:58:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  asked  about  the  risk  of  "lawfare."  He                                                               
suggested moving forward with a bill and avoiding risk.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER  offered his opinion  that the outcome may  be the                                                               
same if a bill was put forward;  time and money could be saved by                                                               
allowing EO 128 to take effect.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCHRAGE  asked if there  is merit to  dividing the                                                               
boards.  He expressed his concern  that by allowing the EO 128 to                                                               
take effect,  the legislature would  cede power to  the governor.                                                               
He further expressed  the potential for a lawsuit  from a citizen                                                               
who  feels  the   governor  has  stepped  out  of   line  of  the                                                               
legislative process.   By arriving  at the result  through proper                                                               
process  and scrutiny  through  a bill,  litigation  risk may  be                                                               
eliminated  and proper  separation  of powers  would  be kept  in                                                               
check.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:01:00 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PARKER  PATTERSON,  Senior   Assistant  Attorney  General,  Civil                                                               
Division, Department  of Law, discussed  the Department  of Law's                                                               
position  on   EO  128.     He  described  a   disagreement  with                                                               
Legislative  Legal Services'  Memo.   He referred  to Article  3,                                                               
Section 23  of the Alaska  Constitution, which creates  powers of                                                               
the  governor  to  make  changes in  the  reorganization  of  the                                                               
executive branch and the assignment  of function among its units.                                                               
He  stated that  Section 23  is a  grant of  positive legislative                                                               
power to  the governor.   The governor  cannot create  or destroy                                                               
functions,  he  can only  move  those  functions around  existing                                                               
units of  the executive  branch.   However, he  has the  power to                                                               
change  the  organization  of the  executive  branch,  which  may                                                               
entail creating,  modifying, or eliminating  units.  To do  so he                                                               
must create  new law  through an EO.   When an  EO creates  a new                                                               
unit,  it must  set  forward the  minimum  criteria necessary  to                                                               
establish the  unit so  it can  be constituted  in function.   He                                                               
emphasized that  it is  necessary and appropriate  for the  EO to                                                               
establish  membership   and  qualifications  of  members   to  be                                                               
appointed.   He described similar  provision in  Michigan's state                                                               
constitution.   He stated that  DOL has interpreted that  this EO                                                               
is  an appropriate  exercise of  the governor's  power and  would                                                               
pass judicial scrutiny.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:07:22 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG asked  Mr.  Patterson for  a memo  that                                                               
references the Michigan case law that he mentioned.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. PATTERSON offered to follow up.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  asked if  "this is  a battle  worth fighting                                                               
given the merits of the underlying issue."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PATTERSON opted to defer to the governor's office.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCHRAGE  asked Ms. Nauman about  precedent for the                                                               
validity of EOs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN said if an EO has been enacted in the past it does                                                                   
not mean that the action is legal or complies with the                                                                          
constitution, and it could still be challenged in court.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCHRAGE thanked Chair Rauscher.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:10:12 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER announced that EO 128 would be held over.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:10:47 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at [12:11]                                                                    
p.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2024.01.31 AEA Overview and Programs Update Presentation to House Energy Committee (Final).pdf HENE 2/1/2024 10:15:00 AM
AEA
exor0128.pdf HENE 2/1/2024 10:15:00 AM
EO 128
Legislative Legal EO 128 Memo.pdf HENE 2/1/2024 10:15:00 AM
EO 128
EO 128 Letter to Rep Rauscher.pdf HENE 2/1/2024 10:15:00 AM
EO 128